The Black Lives Matter global movement has heightened awareness of racism over the last few years, but not more so than in recent months after the killing of George Floyd by a policeman in USA. It has heightened racial tensions with some (mostly white people) countering that “all lives matter”. In this episode Lane, Minah (Beautiful Gate, Philippi) and Erica (New World Foundation, Lavender Hill) discuss this issue of Black Lives Matter. They reject the “all lives matter” notion and go further to emphasise that in Cape Town its not just Black Lives that matter but that black lives on the Cape Flats should also matter and that often, in policy, practice and attitudes they have not.